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Bar-Ang:
strange thing but not so strange i guess .... every time i try to access my "message center" it gives me the "FORBIDDEN" and then followed by 504. it must have been 7 to 8 times yesterday (am & pm) trying to response to a member. and then 3 times this morning.
but when replying to a post, it was find. head-scratcher but then again .... not really

TrappedinCalifornia:
You have to 'wonder' at the apparent disconnect at the other site.  Are they totally wrong?  Probably not.  But, they do tend to ignore the obvious. 

Go back and read what I quoted from Librarian in the OP.  The problems started, not with Kestryll, but with the software over two years ago when the host forced a move where we've been warned, since before I actually joined, about problems which would happen once an 'upgrade' occurred.  But, they are intent upon excoriating Kestryll...


--- Quote from: bbpp00 ---It was running fine until I wanted to post in thread started by TrappedinCalifornia. So I'll post it here, since obviously he's reading caguns.net.


--- Quote from: TrappedinCalifornia;n54340133 --- said:

Put bluntly, Kestryll didn't 'destroy' the site out of neglect or lack of expertise
--- End quote ---

What else are you going to call what's happening since calguns.net was moved to new dedicated server?
On dedicated server, you're the boss (root). That means you can do/install what you want. As in, setup monitoring, enable extra logging and you'd know within a day what's wrong/broken.
Than, if you lack know-how, hire a pro to fix it (I don't think DrJonesUSA and his team of IT pros have the right kind of expertise, but god bless their hearts for trying). Lack of $$ to pay pro? Run a fundraisers, I'm sure many members would help.
And communicate about the progress regularly with members here. Simple as that.

So yes, it's both, neglect and lack of expertise.
--- End quote ---

First, I'm not 'reading' that site.  I'm keeping track of three threads and 'stumbled' across this post.  In other words, addressing me on that site is, basically, pointless unless you're trying to nail down which threads I'm keeping track of versus something I 'stumble' on.

Second...


--- Quote from: ikeo1 ---
--- Quote from: ugimports ---said:

I don't know if they think it's all good. I was reading a thread there the other day when I was able to get on..they discussed this site..referring to it as redditguns.... and some of them basically saying they'd never use this site because it's full of liberals...now to me..regardless of political leanings..if you're hear actively participating and furthering 2A causes I could care less your political views.. several of the folks there basically said they'd go down with the titanic and just deal with having no community at all after that.. a few felt that off topic was the main reason they went to the forum at all and since this site won't have off topic there was no reason to come here... most in that particular thread acknowledged the site was struggling, but they were ok with it because it wasn't redditguns....
--- End quote ---

Yeah. it's ok. I can't be mad at those guys. They've inadvertently helped me build this site while they keep talking about it. We like level heads here who can think beyond libs and trump. It's a way to cope with what's happening and I'm an easy bad guy since this site continues to grow.

People will weed themselves out, we want people who are reasonable with continuing to push 2A to the masses through education vs just calling them stupid liberals who shouldn't own guns. How would you ever get people to come across with that kind of mentality? No matter what happens, in my position, i can only thank Kes for the opportunity, and wish I could've given him a payout and an elegant exit.

The guys there don't really understand its just business. I don't care about your political leanings. This is an opportunity to bridge the communities Reddit, Calguns, Facebook, & Youtube in CA. Things are moving and people are meeting up. I see more about Long Range shooting, hunting, and things I never would've thought would show up here. I'll do my best to provide the community a fast, secure, and reliable platform to build connections old and new. Hopefully more opportunities for small businesses to for services and such.
--- End quote ---

He's still got 'big plans' and WE'RE the ones who feel he is a 'competitor' and have the 'incorrect' mentality.  Uh... Yeah.  No.  He's not a 'bad guy' for building the new site.  He was 'inappropriate' in terms of what he was doing on .net and he's still 'incorrect' in terms of what he (and, particularly, his 'minions') are doing by way of 'spinning' what has happened.  (This is one of the things I've said about Librarian being over there and active; i.e., he seems to have been trying to 'temper' some of that.)

As I've now stated several times, if our faith in Kestryll is misplaced, we'll know soon enough.  What they don't seem to grasp and many of them don't seem to care about is preserving the information and 'history' the site (.net) contains.  I don't know how one builds a community without also generating, maintaining, and paying attention to such history.  Without it, you have no real future.  Kinda one of those 'live for the moment' places akin to the 'community' one sees in a movie like Logan's Run where, once it's considered 'old,' it's abandoned for a (re)newel, without truly understanding what that means.  In that sense, what they're building is a whole new community, with a whole new 'culture,' and a whole new future. 

Good luck to 'em.  I can relate to the 'excitement.'  But, I've also been there, done that over the years.  Ultimately, I've always returned 'home' as the 'new' just didn't have whatever 'IT' is which weds one to a community.  Does that make me an old fogey or just someone with a sense of place?  Probably a little of both. 

In the end, it's just a different kind of 'excitement.'  Instead of an 'excitement' for the sparkling, dazzling, and unknown, it's an 'excitement' for the rebuilding of the 'old' and the carrying on in the face of setback.  As we've said, if it was simply about money and/or added hardware, with a few 'obvious' tweaks, there have been enough offers that it likely would have been done by now.  But, just like when preserving old documents, there's often more than a 'quick fix' involved.

Bar-Ang:

--- Quote from: TrappedinCalifornia on November 22, 2024, 03:10:41 PM ---You have to 'wonder' at the apparent disconnect at the other site.  Are they totally wrong?  Probably not.  But, they do tend to ignore the obvious. 

Go back and read what I quoted from Librarian in the OP.  The problems started, not with Kestryll, but with the software over two years ago when the host forced a move where we've been warned, since before I actually joined, about problems which would happen once an 'upgrade' occurred.  But, they are intent upon excoriating Kestryll...


--- Quote from: bbpp00 ---It was running fine until I wanted to post in thread started by TrappedinCalifornia. So I'll post it here, since obviously he's reading caguns.net.


--- Quote from: TrappedinCalifornia;n54340133 --- said:

Put bluntly, Kestryll didn't 'destroy' the site out of neglect or lack of expertise
--- End quote ---

What else are you going to call what's happening since calguns.net was moved to new dedicated server?
On dedicated server, you're the boss (root). That means you can do/install what you want. As in, setup monitoring, enable extra logging and you'd know within a day what's wrong/broken.
Than, if you lack know-how, hire a pro to fix it (I don't think DrJonesUSA and his team of IT pros have the right kind of expertise, but god bless their hearts for trying). Lack of $$ to pay pro? Run a fundraisers, I'm sure many members would help.
And communicate about the progress regularly with members here. Simple as that.

So yes, it's both, neglect and lack of expertise.
--- End quote ---

First, I'm not 'reading' that site.  I'm keeping track of three threads and 'stumbled' across this post.  In other words, addressing me on that site is, basically, pointless unless you're trying to nail down which threads I'm keeping track of versus something I 'stumble' on.

Second...


--- Quote from: ikeo1 ---
--- Quote from: ugimports ---said:

I don't know if they think it's all good. I was reading a thread there the other day when I was able to get on..they discussed this site..referring to it as redditguns.... and some of them basically saying they'd never use this site because it's full of liberals...now to me..regardless of political leanings..if you're hear actively participating and furthering 2A causes I could care less your political views.. several of the folks there basically said they'd go down with the titanic and just deal with having no community at all after that.. a few felt that off topic was the main reason they went to the forum at all and since this site won't have off topic there was no reason to come here... most in that particular thread acknowledged the site was struggling, but they were ok with it because it wasn't redditguns....
--- End quote ---

Yeah. it's ok. I can't be mad at those guys. They've inadvertently helped me build this site while they keep talking about it. We like level heads here who can think beyond libs and trump. It's a way to cope with what's happening and I'm an easy bad guy since this site continues to grow.

People will weed themselves out, we want people who are reasonable with continuing to push 2A to the masses through education vs just calling them stupid liberals who shouldn't own guns. How would you ever get people to come across with that kind of mentality? No matter what happens, in my position, i can only thank Kes for the opportunity, and wish I could've given him a payout and an elegant exit.

The guys there don't really understand its just business. I don't care about your political leanings. This is an opportunity to bridge the communities Reddit, Calguns, Facebook, & Youtube in CA. Things are moving and people are meeting up. I see more about Long Range shooting, hunting, and things I never would've thought would show up here. I'll do my best to provide the community a fast, secure, and reliable platform to build connections old and new. Hopefully more opportunities for small businesses to for services and such.
--- End quote ---

He's still got 'big plans' and WE'RE the ones who feel he is a 'competitor' and have the 'incorrect' mentality.  Uh... Yeah.  No.  He's not a 'bad guy' for building the new site.  He was 'inappropriate' in terms of what he was doing on .net and he's still 'incorrect' in terms of what he (and, particularly, his 'minions') are doing by way of 'spinning' what has happened.  (This is one of the things I've said about Librarian being over there and active; i.e., he seems to have been trying to 'temper' some of that.)

As I've now stated several times, if our faith in Kestryll is misplaced, we'll know soon enough.  What they don't seem to grasp and many of them don't seem to care about is preserving the information and 'history' the site (.net) contains.  I don't know how one builds a community without also generating, maintaining, and paying attention to such history.  Without it, you have no real future.  Kinda one of those 'live for the moment' places akin to the 'community' one sees in a movie like Logan's Run where, once it's considered 'old,' it's abandoned for a (re)newel, without truly understanding what that means.  In that sense, what they're building is a whole new community, with a whole new 'culture,' and a whole new future. 

Good luck to 'em.  I can relate to the 'excitement.'  But, I've also been there, done that over the years.  Ultimately, I've always returned 'home' as the 'new' just didn't have whatever 'IT' is which weds one to a community.  Does that make me an old fogey or just someone with a sense of place?  Probably a little of both. 

In the end, it's just a different kind of 'excitement.'  Instead of an 'excitement' for the sparkling, dazzling, and unknown, it's an 'excitement' for the rebuilding of the 'old' and the carrying on in the face of setback.  As we've said, if it was simply about money and/or added hardware, with a few 'obvious' tweaks, there have been enough offers that it likely would have been done by now.  But, just like when preserving old documents, there's often more than a 'quick fix' involved.

--- End quote ---

yeah! i get the gist. .net is like my favorite worn t-shirt and pants that i can let go. just too comfortable and somewhat faithful friend for lack of a better words. i hope it get sorted out soon before the 2028 election.  ;D

CenterX:
There are thousands of words in this thread. 
Has anyone stated that maybe a super hacker anti gun nerd is trashing every
Attempt Kestrel performs to try and make .net work?   
Lot of haters in the world.
If it were subscription based in say 3 tiers of pay/access and with a killer firewall.   
Life could be Cali-Fine again.

TrappedinCalifornia:

--- Quote from: CenterX on December 03, 2024, 06:58:14 PM ---There are thousands of words in this thread. 
Has anyone stated that maybe a super hacker anti gun nerd is trashing every
Attempt Kestrel performs to try and make .net work?   
Lot of haters in the world.
If it were subscription based in say 3 tiers of pay/access and with a killer firewall.   
Life could be Cali-Fine again.

--- End quote ---

You're just part of an on-going push to make the site pay-to-play.

What all doing so are steadfastly ignore is that Kestryll has said - "No."  Why?  Because he intends to stick to a promise he made, years ago, to not turn the site into that.

Could he change his mind?  Sure.  But, I don't think continuing to push for him to do it plays well; with Kestryll or the larger membership.  Then again, who knows?  Well... I know I wouldn't pay-to-play.  It's just that, like you, there are those who claim they would.  Of course, claiming they would and actually doing it... well...  Let's just say that it's an assumption that turning it into a pay-to-play site would mitigate the problem in that we don't even know if it is an 'attack' vs. old software not playing well with new software or something along those lines.

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