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Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« on: December 03, 2008, 04:51:42 PM »
I don't know of any other site on the net with worse reliability than Calguns.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2008, 04:54:51 PM »
I don't know of any other site on the net with worse reliability than Calguns.


I don't either.
It sure does not make me want to host with Geovario...

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2008, 04:59:31 PM »
It's pretty difficult to migrate a large website without taking it down.... IIRC Geovario is making the move in stages which means rather than have the site down for a week straight it  may go down from time to time while they make the move happen.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2008, 05:02:31 PM »
It's pretty difficult to migrate a large website without taking it down.... IIRC Geovario is making the move in stages which means rather than have the site down for a week straight it  may go down from time to time while they make the move happen.


Oh come on.
You know it should never take more than a couple hours (scheduled overnight) to move a large database from one server on to another.
The outages are just WAYYYYYY too common.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2008, 05:12:00 PM »
And it's somewhat traditional to plan outages for a particular time, and to announce the outages beforehand.  It's also traditional to include wildly optimistic estimates for the length of the downtime.  ;D

Down without announcement usually can be correctly interpreted as We Have A Problem.

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If I'm posting *here*, I'm not moving/locking/deleting threads *there*.

Just sayin'

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2008, 05:19:37 PM »
When they have a full blown backup site like this it should be a clue.

Stick around, it'll get better. :-*


I don't know of any other site on the net with worse reliability than Calguns.


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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2008, 05:28:15 PM »
It's pretty difficult to migrate a large website without taking it down.... IIRC Geovario is making the move in stages which means rather than have the site down for a week straight it  may go down from time to time while they make the move happen.


Oh come on.
You know it should never take more than a couple hours (scheduled overnight) to move a large database from one server on to another.
The outages are just WAYYYYYY too common.


Keep in mind also this is being done on a very small budget.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2008, 05:30:45 PM »

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2008, 05:34:43 PM »

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2008, 07:21:16 AM »
12/04/08 @ 0715 down again.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2008, 08:14:16 AM »
Still Down 12/4/08 8:15 am :(

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2008, 08:24:58 AM »
I'm just impressed that Saigon has over 4500 posts here.  Wow.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2008, 08:34:23 AM »
Oh man we can't even read our messages in the inbox from calguns.net.

I have some deals and need to get in contact with the sellers.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2008, 08:49:21 AM »
Still down....damn Saigon 4500 posts here....

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2008, 09:21:34 AM »
What are you all doing here - Time out -



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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2008, 09:43:58 AM »
I work in IT and can tell you it takes longer than you think to move a DB and make wholesale equipment changes.

Additionally making the move in stages so the site is up as long as possible between down times complicates a bit more.

I think they're doing a good job balancing down time and up time. This ain't like copying files on your home PC.

give them a chance to finish the job.

It's pretty difficult to migrate a large website without taking it down.... IIRC Geovario is making the move in stages which means rather than have the site down for a week straight it  may go down from time to time while they make the move happen.

Oh come on.
You know it should never take more than a couple hours (scheduled overnight) to move a large database from one server on to another.
The outages are just WAYYYYYY too common.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2008, 09:46:54 AM »
Hi all,
yes we're down again.

If I'm not mistaken this is due to work at GeoVario on the upgrades.

I've been busy since I got in to work but I'm trying to get info now.
As I find out what's up I'll post it.

JTecalo is right, we're not just moving the DB from one server to another either, GeoVario is doing a complete hardware and software upgrade including installing entirely new equipment. It takes a bit to do that and get it right.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2008, 09:51:02 AM »
Go get em Kest - Karma for you -

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2008, 09:51:31 AM »
Thanks for the info...I can relax now ;)

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2008, 10:38:23 AM »
Heh, well I don't know what your experiences have been....But in my experience if one knows what they are doing they can get this done properly and quickly.

Last year I architected and executed a move of a LAMP cluster of roughly 80k domains, for 4.5TB of data, with over 30Mbit of sustained customer traffic with an average of 15GB/hour data delta on the storage volumes(non-log). The move was from Los Angeles to Chicago and took less than 8 hours of downtime. (Be sure it took longer to prepare, but there was no customer impact)

I think one should be able to move a single website, with a single DB instance (or cluster), in a day...  :-p Unless of course the architecture has inherent design flaws making it inflexible.

That being said, Calguns.net is free for us.... Until you pay the bills, don't bitch. :-)

I've said it before, and Ill offer again.... if Geovario or Kest wants another perspective on the current problem set I would be more than happy to help where I can...

I work in IT and can tell you it takes longer than you think to move a DB and make wholesale equipment changes.

Additionally making the move in stages so the site is up as long as possible between down times complicates a bit more.

I think they're doing a good job balancing down time and up time. This ain't like copying files on your home PC.

give them a chance to finish the job.



Oh come on.
You know it should never take more than a couple hours (scheduled overnight) to move a large database from one server on to another.
The outages are just WAYYYYYY too common.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2008, 10:39:52 AM »

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2008, 06:21:39 AM »
it's down 12-5-2008. it will be back up today i hope.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2008, 07:07:11 AM »
Yup...down 0700 12/5/08.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2008, 07:35:24 AM »
I have no clue what this one is about but I'm going to find out.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2008, 07:56:30 AM »
Go get em Kest - Karma for you -

Brown noser. No wonder you have never been banned.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2008, 08:08:43 AM »
Crap.
I need to go meet someone in a little bit and their address/phone number are in a PM on .net.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2008, 08:57:18 AM »
I have no clue what this one is about but I'm going to find out.

Last night we destroy the roster.

Today calguns is down......



Hrmmm.. coincidence?

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2008, 09:02:31 AM »
Hmmm.... guess since the site is down i will be productive and find something to do.

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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2008, 09:49:01 AM »
It's so we can get the rift rafters back to .net -

Go get em Kest - Karma for you -

Brown noser. No wonder you have never been banned.


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Re: Down again, 12/03/08 @ 16:51
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2008, 09:03:16 AM »