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Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« on: November 17, 2024, 02:56:26 PM »
Calguns.net was up yesterday and quick and responsive.
Today, it would not open--nor any error message--- just extended  "wait, circling" --- Bummer!

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2024, 06:16:32 PM »
Time to move on.

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2024, 06:31:33 PM »
down again

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today??? Nor today either!
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2024, 12:53:31 PM »
Unable to connect to Calguns.net as it is just a perpetual 'wait' as nothing is loading.. is the site even up??

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2024, 01:08:42 PM »
Just 504's and a couple of 502's since 0300 hrs.

I would think if it's being "worked on", there might be a banner stating "site down due to maintenance" or something similar.  Then again, maybe not!

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2024, 01:52:27 PM »
Just 504's and a couple of 502's since 0300 hrs.

I would think if it's being "worked on", there might be a banner stating "site down due to maintenance" or something similar.  Then again, maybe not!

Kyle

 

I'm beginning to think that a suggestion made by someone else might be true.  That being, the whole thing is just on autopilot and just waiting for the bought time on the server time to run out.  I hate to think that but it is a possibility.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2024, 02:22:04 PM »
CG.net no longer a functioning site... undependable for listing or selling as no one can use it reliably.

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2024, 04:44:05 PM »
Today was a total bust for .Net.  Started at 0258 hrs and a bazillion times trying and 504/502's up til now.  Maybe Mr. Swalt is correct, but I hate to think that.  I'm done for today.

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2024, 07:00:47 PM »
Today was a total bust for .Net.  Started at 0258 hrs and a bazillion times trying and 504/502's up til now.  Maybe Mr. Swalt is correct, but I hate to think that.  I'm done for today.

Kyle

Same here.  But since I'm doing other things I'll try on occasion.  Such a huge freak'n shame!!!

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2024, 08:37:06 PM »
I haven't been able to connect to .net for the last couple of days, despite numerous attempts.

It's been Gateway and 504 errors, every time.

All we can do is keep trying or simply walk away.  The first option means we still have a chance and so does the site.  The second option means...   :o

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2024, 08:59:56 PM »
I figure if CGN disappears I'd bet CGO will too.

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2024, 03:47:55 AM »
I'm not sure, but I think that .Net has failed the "stress test" at this point.

So far this AM the ole familiar 504 is all I get from .Net.

Mr. Swalt, you may be correct on .Org too, considering Mr. Kestryll has not posted here nor has Mr. Librarian that I'm aware of.  Not confirming those that try to get confirmation for .Org is strange too, since I would think that would be automated in the software. 

Kyle

ETA:  Just tried .Net and got on site, at 0348 but 504ed at 0350.  There did not appear to have any posts for yesterday (11/25/24) all unread posts were dated 11/24.

ETA: On .Net at 0627 and bumped at 0630 and no new posts.  Wasn't long enough to see members/guests. 
« Last Edit: November 26, 2024, 06:35:18 AM by kyle1886 »
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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2024, 05:53:13 PM »
I'm not sure, but I think that .Net has failed the "stress test" at this point.

So far this AM the ole familiar 504 is all I get from .Net.

Mr. Swalt, you may be correct on .Org too, considering Mr. Kestryll has not posted here nor has Mr. Librarian that I'm aware of.  Not confirming those that try to get confirmation for .Org is strange too, since I would think that would be automated in the software. 

Kyle

ETA:  Just tried .Net and got on site, at 0348 but 504ed at 0350.  There did not appear to have any posts for yesterday (11/25/24) all unread posts were dated 11/24.

ETA: On .Net at 0627 and bumped at 0630 and no new posts.  Wasn't long enough to see members/guests.

This morning I came on here and read your post then this site went 504.  Then I went to .net and it was nothing but 504's, so many my browser asks if I want to go to the wayback machine to find it!  I thought, Kes just threw in the towel, just gave up and shut down both sites and your post was going to be the last I'd ever see on either site.  Went to work, got home and both are working???  WTF?  I guess they both still live.

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2024, 05:59:58 AM »
This AM I got on around 0300 hrs and all was fine until I got a "server not found error" 50 minutes later.  Have no idea how long it was down but got back on about 40 minutes later.  A bit slow with the ole "working" banner and a hang up while making a post.

Hopefully she gets back to a viable and stable site soon.

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2024, 02:23:19 PM »
Just 504's and a couple of 502's since 0300 hrs.

I would think if it's being "worked on", there might be a banner stating "site down due to maintenance" or something similar.  Then again, maybe not!

Kyle

 

I'm beginning to think that a suggestion made by someone else might be true.  That being, the whole thing is just on autopilot and just waiting for the bought time on the server time to run out.  I hate to think that but it is a possibility.

This is my guess, it's just on a continuous boot and crash cycle, and the owner is done with it. Might just be too expensive and too time consuming to run. As sponser dollars dry up, it enters a inevitable death loop.
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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2024, 02:41:56 PM »
Just 504's and a couple of 502's since 0300 hrs.

I would think if it's being "worked on", there might be a banner stating "site down due to maintenance" or something similar.  Then again, maybe not!

Kyle

 

I'm beginning to think that a suggestion made by someone else might be true.  That being, the whole thing is just on autopilot and just waiting for the bought time on the server time to run out.  I hate to think that but it is a possibility.

This is my guess, it's just on a continuous boot and crash cycle, and the owner is done with it. Might just be too expensive and too time consuming to run. As sponser dollars dry up, it enters a inevitable death loop.

I really do hope that is not the case and for the life of me I can't figure why anyone with a resource like CGN would just let it die and disappear?  Too much bad blood?  Just say F all those clowns, I'll teach you!  If anything, offer it up to members here as a group buy so it continues.  He is the owner, he can sell it to anyone he wants.   He can even disallow any one person from being part of the group buy if he wants, it would limit who is willing to buy it but there can be other offers.  Or sell it to 1 person with conditions of sale.  But why just let it all just disappear?

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2024, 04:06:22 PM »
I'm not sure Kestryll is letting it 'disappear.'  Then again, neither am I sure it's actually being worked on.  The radio silence is becoming noticeable, even to those of us who don't expect that there is much of an 'update' to be provided.

The site, .net, was working quite well for a period yesterday.  I got several posts in, which included a go-round with someone complaining about the length of my posts again in regard to a post which wasn't even addressed to him.   :o  (The post wasn't really long, even for me, and the subsequent post he was complaining about not quoting correctly was his fault, not mine.  But, I have a dedicated corps which demands 3 sentences or less and won't tolerate regular posts larger than that.  I believe this individual is over on the other site and I'd appreciate it if he'd keep it there unless he's willing to put his grown up pants on and just ignore posts he thinks are 'too long.'  Then again, the post he was complaining about was directed at the owner of the other site and there may have been an ulterior motive involved.)  I went back early this morning, made a couple of posts, and got 504'd in the middle of it and couldn't get back on.  Until...

A few minutes ago.  It took next to 'forever' to get the homepage to load.  Once it finally did, I tried to sign in and... 504'd.

I'll try again later; but, at this point, I'm reaching a juncture where I don't expect to be able to sign in and am almost where I don't even expect to be able to reach the site at all.  That's not good.  As has been noted by others, it has to have reached a point where sponsors are being lost.  We know that contributors are abandoning ship.

Unfortunately. there does come a point where recovery becomes less likely.  It's not just about the technical aspects.  Even with a dedicated, loyal membership, there comes a point where advertisers, Google connections, et al. simply won't want to play.  (The loyalty to the site is clear on .net and there are even members on the other site attempting to introduce a little reality and temperance to the bad-mouthing, innuendos, etc. on the other site.)  I don't necessarily think we're there, yet; but, I don't necessarily think it's too far off in the future either. 

I don't have any answers and I don't want to make any suggestions.  I certainly don't want someone who 'picked up a gun and started practicing' in 2020 or thereabouts and doesn't feel that 'politics' has a place in 2nd Amendment discourse to be 'in charge.'  As I've said, I have no interest, at all, in picking up and moving to another site. 

If .net goes down, I go with it insofar as participating on gun sites.  While there are those who likely feel that's a good thing, .net has served as a 'social outlet' (among other things) for me over the last seven years.  We've discussed my health problems, so there's no need to get into them again.  I'm not exactly a 'shut in,' but I also don't have as much 'socializing' as I used to available either.  Will I survive without .net?  Certainly.  Will I lose a 'safety valve' in terms of an outlet?  Yep.  But, I hope it doesn't come to that.

Just like most others, I'm simply venting frustration at the moment.  My timeline still has a few ticks on it before I shift to other activities and check back on occasion to see if things are working again.  I just don't want it to reach I point where I say... "I'm done."  My personality, all my Life, as been that once I reach that point, I don't look back or try to 'return' to someone or something.

Let's hope that Kestryll isn't letting things ride until the paid time expires.  Let's further hope that things are actually being worked on in a 'meaningful' way; bearing in mind that 'meaningful' and 'expeditious' aren't necessarily synonymous.  It would be a shame to see the resource fold or be swallowed up by someone who really doesn't grasp (at least not yet) what a 2nd Amendment community is and is more enamored with the 'younger set' (likely due to... well... let's just say... 'greater perceived opportunities' and 'more controllability'). 

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2024, 09:47:47 PM »
I'm hopeful, but  not holding my breatb that .net will be fixed. TIC, you have got to be the most optimistic person that I have ever encountered. I truly hope that you are correct in your optimism, however, my gut feeling is that cgn has been abandoned and will never recover. I really hope I am wrong because as others have said, the amount of information that has been posted there over the years 8s invaluable.

I don't recall what your health problems are, but I wish you the best of luck in overcoming them.

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2024, 11:05:01 PM »
I'm hopeful, but  not holding my breatb that .net will be fixed. TIC, you have got to be the most optimistic person that I have ever encountered. I truly hope that you are correct in your optimism, however, my gut feeling is that cgn has been abandoned and will never recover. I really hope I am wrong because as others have said, the amount of information that has been posted there over the years 8s invaluable.

I don't recall what your health problems are, but I wish you the best of luck in overcoming them.

I'm hoping for the best as well. Lot's of tongues wagging. In due time the truth will come out.

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2024, 07:54:28 PM »
I'm hopeful, but  not holding my breatb that .net will be fixed. TIC, you have got to be the most optimistic person that I have ever encountered. I truly hope that you are correct in your optimism, however, my gut feeling is that cgn has been abandoned and will never recover. I really hope I am wrong because as others have said, the amount of information that has been posted there over the years 8s invaluable.

I don't recall what your health problems are, but I wish you the best of luck in overcoming them.

It's not so much 'optimism' as it is an unwillingness to call it dead given that we know it's beyond Kestryll's technical abilities and that DrJonesUSA has already posted (on the other site and not here or .net) that he hasn't had much time to dedicate to it.  Yes.  I too have been left somewhat askance in regard to why he'd post on a 'competing' site rather than on the site he's ostensibly trying to fix, but I'll keep my suspicions to myself for now. 

Insofar as my health problems, the last 'major' one was a little over two years ago; but, with a couple of 'minor' ones after that.  I never really got a chance to fully recover from the major one and have been forced to deal with the 'after effects' ever since.  Naturally, the remedies and the after effects create their own... 'challenges.'  Some things in Life are and can be 'overcome.'  Other things just have to be 'endured' as the way things are now and, sometimes, adjusting to that new reality simply requires a break or a 'release' or both.   ;)

But, that leads back to what's happening with Kestryll and the site.  Maybe just a word of good cheer, or at least a 'neutral' cheer, on one or both of the sites actually impacted, would be a good idea in the Season of Good Cheer.

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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2024, 06:19:57 PM »
I'm hopeful, but  not holding my breatb that .net will be fixed. TIC, you have got to be the most optimistic person that I have ever encountered. I truly hope that you are correct in your optimism, however, my gut feeling is that cgn has been abandoned and will never recover. I really hope I am wrong because as others have said, the amount of information that has been posted there over the years 8s invaluable.

I don't recall what your health problems are, but I wish you the best of luck in overcoming them.

It's not so much 'optimism' as it is an unwillingness to call it dead given that we know it's beyond Kestryll's technical abilities and that DrJonesUSA has already posted (on the other site and not here or .net) that he hasn't had much time to dedicate to it.  Yes.  I too have been left somewhat askance in regard to why he'd post on a 'competing' site rather than on the site he's ostensibly trying to fix, but I'll keep my suspicions to myself for now. 

Insofar as my health problems, the last 'major' one was a little over two years ago; but, with a couple of 'minor' ones after that.  I never really got a chance to fully recover from the major one and have been forced to deal with the 'after effects' ever since.  Naturally, the remedies and the after effects create their own... 'challenges.'  Some things in Life are and can be 'overcome.'  Other things just have to be 'endured' as the way things are now and, sometimes, adjusting to that new reality simply requires a break or a 'release' or both.   ;)

But, that leads back to what's happening with Kestryll and the site.  Maybe just a word of good cheer, or at least a 'neutral' cheer, on one or both of the sites actually impacted, would be a good idea in the Season of Good Cheer.

You mean instead of the "For F's Sake Kes, Get It Together" thread?  ???  ;D

It's no wonder we haven't seen/heard from him for months with 'cheer' like that coming his way from all over the place.  ::)

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2024, 10:44:08 AM »
I'm hopeful, but  not holding my breatb that .net will be fixed. TIC, you have got to be the most optimistic person that I have ever encountered. I truly hope that you are correct in your optimism, however, my gut feeling is that cgn has been abandoned and will never recover. I really hope I am wrong because as others have said, the amount of information that has been posted there over the years 8s invaluable.

I don't recall what your health problems are, but I wish you the best of luck in overcoming them.

It's not so much 'optimism' as it is an unwillingness to call it dead given that we know it's beyond Kestryll's technical abilities and that DrJonesUSA has already posted (on the other site and not here or .net) that he hasn't had much time to dedicate to it.  Yes.  I too have been left somewhat askance in regard to why he'd post on a 'competing' site rather than on the site he's ostensibly trying to fix, but I'll keep my suspicions to myself for now. 

Insofar as my health problems, the last 'major' one was a little over two years ago; but, with a couple of 'minor' ones after that.  I never really got a chance to fully recover from the major one and have been forced to deal with the 'after effects' ever since.  Naturally, the remedies and the after effects create their own... 'challenges.'  Some things in Life are and can be 'overcome.'  Other things just have to be 'endured' as the way things are now and, sometimes, adjusting to that new reality simply requires a break or a 'release' or both.   ;)

But, that leads back to what's happening with Kestryll and the site.  Maybe just a word of good cheer, or at least a 'neutral' cheer, on one or both of the sites actually impacted, would be a good idea in the Season of Good Cheer.

You mean instead of the "For F's Sake Kes, Get It Together" thread?  ???  ;D

It's no wonder we haven't seen/heard from him for months with 'cheer' like that coming his way from all over the place.  ::)

Yeah, because showing concern over the future of .net is a horrible thing?  Yup, watching an upstart site suck away so many long time members and the .net site just languishing for months on end is a great thing for the owner?  Its obvious that the other site is just opportunistic, starting up right when major problems started on .net and shouldn't be a major concern for the owner?  I guess I am guilty of not wanting .net to die.  If I'm showing more concern, well, I'm sorry.

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2024, 11:06:51 AM »
I'm hopeful, but  not holding my breatb that .net will be fixed. TIC, you have got to be the most optimistic person that I have ever encountered. I truly hope that you are correct in your optimism, however, my gut feeling is that cgn has been abandoned and will never recover. I really hope I am wrong because as others have said, the amount of information that has been posted there over the years 8s invaluable.

I don't recall what your health problems are, but I wish you the best of luck in overcoming them.


It's not so much 'optimism' as it is an unwillingness to call it dead given that we know it's beyond Kestryll's technical abilities and that DrJonesUSA has already posted (on the other site and not here or .net) that he hasn't had much time to dedicate to it.  Yes.  I too have been left somewhat askance in regard to why he'd post on a 'competing' site rather than on the site he's ostensibly trying to fix, but I'll keep my suspicions to myself for now. 

Insofar as my health problems, the last 'major' one was a little over two years ago; but, with a couple of 'minor' ones after that.  I never really got a chance to fully recover from the major one and have been forced to deal with the 'after effects' ever since.  Naturally, the remedies and the after effects create their own... 'challenges.'  Some things in Life are and can be 'overcome.'  Other things just have to be 'endured' as the way things are now and, sometimes, adjusting to that new reality simply requires a break or a 'release' or both.   ;)

But, that leads back to what's happening with Kestryll and the site.  Maybe just a word of good cheer, or at least a 'neutral' cheer, on one or both of the sites actually impacted, would be a good idea in the Season of Good Cheer.

You mean instead of the "For F's Sake Kes, Get It Together" thread?  ???  ;D

It's no wonder we haven't seen/heard from him for months with 'cheer' like that coming his way from all over the place.  ::)

Yeah, because showing concern over the future of .net is a horrible thing?  Yup, watching an upstart site suck away so many long time members and the .net site just languishing for months on end is a great thing for the owner?  Its obvious that the other site is just opportunistic, starting up right when major problems started on .net and shouldn't be a major concern for the owner?  I guess I am guilty of not wanting .net to die.  If I'm showing more concern, well, I'm sorry.

It was sarcasm/humor in regard to the post by TiC to spread some "Holiday Cheer". :-\  I understand your frustration, most people (including myself) are frustrated.  But it's like we are all standing at the ticket counter yelling at the agent because the flight is delayed.  I don't think Kes has direct control over the 'fix' or the timeline for the 'fix'.  Yep, there's a growing concern that the flight will be 'cancelled' as well, including myself.  I encourage you to sign up for the e-mail list, swalt, I don't see your username on it yet.

Here's the link to the e-mail list thread:
https://www.calguns.org/forum/index.php?topic=7693.0
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2024, 06:39:29 PM »
I agree that there's too much 'negativity' in the... uh... requests... for an update.  It's the very reason I suspect we don't get one, coupled with the idea that there's likely not much of an update to be had.  Anything provided is simply going to be met with more of the same rather than positive reinforcement. 

Insofar as 'siphoning off members,' I think there's been a little dustup which is demonstrating what we've warned about.  I just checked on a thread that I only occasionally look at and it's increased a considerable number of pages.  Evidently someone over there 'offended' the owner (the guy who has been posting on .net about how there's no censorship, how much better his site is, etc.) and was told he was no longer welcome.  Had he been pushing it?  Maybe a little, but I didn't see anything worthy of a ban.  Likewise, what offended the owner was standard fodder on .net; i.e., don't blame the gun, blame the criminal.  But, the owner took it personally. 

That entire thread has now been moved from the front page I guess...

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Moved to Casual Corner so it will not update the latest feed on the front page. I think the topic is getting a little stale and we'll leave the front page clear for more 2A topics.

Be sure to "watch" this sub-forum and you should get updated for any changes to this thread. Doing a little housekeeping and seeing that some of you use Casual Corner.

It's the single, most successful thread on that site, by a large margin.  Yet, it's now being buried due to the owner having become offended at a member who had been observing not only how some things were being twisted, but that the 2nd Amendment is more than simply about the technical aspects of guns.  As another member from .net pointed out in response, it's boilerplate to blame the criminal and not the gun.  Now he's 'catching it' from another member who is taking offense and pushing innuendos and accusations about the member.  His decided opinion is...

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Just talk about guns. And carrying. And gunsmithing. And equipment. And people's tastes in them. It ain't hard.

Ooh, I want this gun. I carry my gun iwb, owb, in my underwear. I bubba. I use chinesium gear since US Special Operations use IDOGear. Ooh, your gun sucks. It ain't hard.

Go join Reddit, if you really want to share 2A with politics mixed in, or stay in Calguns. Or join a different forum that has idaho subforum. There is always arfcom. I don't see what you as a ID gunowner could offer to CA gunowners, unless you trying to get rid of your mags, then I suggest just stick to classified since you believe all posts require politics?

It amazes me that they think the 2nd Amendment in California can be addressed effectively with virtually no reference to politics.  As I've said, it's a very partitioned and potentially hazardous view of the 2nd Amendment.  Such an approach is and always was virtually guaranteed to engender the back and forth we now see on that thread.  Just to give you a sense, what the owner took offense to was...

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People you knew who were victims of gun violence, is not an experience with guns, it is an experience with crime/criminals. Guns had nothing to do with those negative experiences you had.

The owner's reply?

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Thank you for telling me how it affected me. It's not your place to tell me what I experienced. One piece of advice I got was to ban early. I don't usually want to do this, but I can tell where this is going. I'm sorry but you are no longer welcome.

That did cause the .net member to cancel his monthly support for the new site.

Yet, what is being 'allowed' to continue from the other member now attempting to 'cancel' the .net member?

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I'll trash talk, because I was banned. Despite me giving hundreds of Trump mugs to numerous Calgunners for free. Numerous WTG participant. I donated to CGN for 1 year (good thing I didn't do more), and Kestryll kept the scammer he first posted on the Scammer list. Mark Silva (I noticed he didn't change his email that Kestryll posted as a scammer, which is how I found out.) Guess he got burned by the scammer good that he wanted others to get burned as well.

And his unfair banning. Ban for thee, but not for the good ol boy band wagon.

And I must admit, I was a pretty good parody'er.

Thus, as I tried to tell him, he doesn't have a bunch of choir boys joining and participating on his site.  Some of them have been problem childrin on .net in the past, look like they have an ax to grind, and are using his site to do it.  But, it's being allowed.  In fact, the guy who started the thread declares...

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It really exposed the inner workings of CGN, thats for sure.

Nope.  I think what it 'exposes' is not only who is actually joining the new site, the intentions of the owner, and what I warned about; i.e., that 'inconsistency' of enforcement largely stems from the owner's personal druthers rather than a set of 'unbreakable' rules.  It's the very reason we use the expression... "His site, his rules." 

Which pretty much brings us back to the beginning of the post.  Whatever frustrations we may feel about .net and how 'the fix' is dragging out, as I've said before, put yourself in Kestryll's shoes.  Demanding, chivvying, doxx'ing, bad mouthing, et al. isn't going to lead to good ends, whether it's on the new site or .net or .org.  Such is especially true when we don't have any real idea what's going on behind the scenes. 

Would a post with some sort of an 'update,' even if it's tantamount to 'nothing new to report,' in my opinion, be helpful?  I think so.  But, it's not my call and I'm not always right. 

So... 

 
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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2024, 01:28:49 PM »
Hey, it worked for a few hours this morning!  Progress!!  NOT

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2024, 02:14:27 PM »
Yeah, it made a liar out of me again; it lasted a bit over 12 1/2 minutes after doing it's "working" thing that I predicted its demise.  In this case I don't mind.

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2024, 03:03:59 PM »
Nothing in CA is free! I thing CALGUNS should have a nominal fee and lighting fast and reliable as USP.

I'm happy to pay for a better service

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2024, 11:11:55 PM »
Nothing in CA is free! I thing CALGUNS should have a nominal fee and lighting fast and reliable as USP.

I'm happy to pay for a better service

I proposed that like 2-3 years ago, there was thread about it. You should find it and read reaction of entitled Karens

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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2024, 11:57:16 AM »
I got on .net, briefly, this morning.  Got one post done, was working on a second post and... vapor lock.

What's interesting is how many are taking the owner of the 'other site' to task for what I observed in this thread earlier.  I thought about posting a reply, then I realized it's not necessarily needed in terms of replying to him there.  However, I thought I might post it here so as to give us all a little perspective.  Think of it in terms of how we 'lament' about .net and how those lamentations are being used against us, Kestryll, and the perceived future of .net. 

I'll phrase it as a reply to him so no one is 'confused.'

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Look at this page, you guys pretty much have nothing else to talk about other than me. The more you guys resist, the more childish you guys look.

What you guys really need to be concerned about is this number dropping. At some point, the juice isn't going to be worth the squeeze. Especially lately with the site being down days at a time, there's going to be a dramatic fall off coming up. You should be more concerned about the lack of updates and what you're going to do.

Keep hanging on guys. I'm glad with the work I'm doing along with the growing number of users.​

I believe I mentioned that I and several others weren't your problem. I also believe I mentioned that you had unrealistic expectations in terms of what you've been attempting to put together over there. If you want us to look at something, don't point to what most of us note everyday. Look at what you're attempting to do vs. what you claim to be attempting to do.

From the beginning, I've pointed out the 'mixed messaging' you keep sending and it continues. The problem you have is that your 'guerrilla marketing' has pretty much reached saturation point on this site and the pushback has truly begun. You've reached that juncture where the negative advertising you keep doing about the membership here and how no one is heeding your sage wisdom is no longer becoming tolerable to those who remain. As an example, you've even tried to 'hide' it (to a degree) on your own site...

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Yeah, that's going to happen. I wouldn't take them too seriously. They're just upset and need a villain since their protagonist is missing while they hold the fort.

The issue as mentioned i think is cache poisoning. The application just needs to be restarted regularly and it'll work. It's a quick workaround that can get people by but for whatever reason is being ignored. But like they like to say, No reply is a reply.​

C'mon.  The no reply is a reply is the line I've repeatedly used with you.  However, it's not necessarily applicable in the context you're using it.  The 'quick workaround' you herald doesn't seem to work for more than a couple of hours if that's what's actually being done.  Which means it's not truly a workaround or any kind of pragmatic 'solution' to whatever the problem actually is... again... if that's what's actually being done.

Something else I've pointed out to you is that you aren't a martyr.  You're especially not a 'hero' when Kestryll should be seen as a 'villain' to us.  Neither is Kestryll our 'protagonist.'  The problems with the system are.  Once again, you're attempting to spin what is happening and while it is a spin that is popular fodder on your site and, perhaps, with Reddit users, it ain't all that popular here with those continuing to actively post.  But, that's the point.  What works on your site isn't likely to play well elsewhere and, especially, here.

Attempting to shift the blame is a popular strategy; but, we've now had time to see what you're offering, what you allow on your site vs. what you claim to desire, who you support as a 'boogeyman,' and who you tout as 'soyboys,' among various other appellations ascribed by your followers/minions/supporters.  You've allow doxxing and casting of aspersions on members here who haven't even joined your site; thus, with no chance to 'defend' themselves.  In many respects, as I have warned you, you have just as much an 'hate fest' on your site as anything that happens here.  Are they more 'polite' about it?  Perhaps.  But, that doesn't make it any less vitriolic or spiteful.  Is it 'truth?'  Most have no way of knowing and since it comes down to opinion in many cases, who's to say where 'truth' stops and the other starts?

It's just like what you took offense to.  Blame the user, not the gun is boilerplate advice here.  It was personal for you.  We get that.  Many, many of us have our own experiences with violence in one form or another.  Would your experience have been any better if a crowbar had been used or a 2" x 4" or a car or a screwdriver or... any of myriad other implements rather than a gun?  Who knows what the outcome would have been.  But, that's why it's boilerplate advice.  It's why a line from Conan the Barbarian movie resonates with many here: "What is steel compared to the hand which wields it?"  A gun is simply a tool.  Whether that tool is used for constructive or destructive ends depends on who is on the trigger and the context of the situation.  While it may be difficult to see in a given situation, at least for a period of time, don't expect that 'everyone' will have difficulty in ascribing blame where blame is due.  All you're doing is creating concern that you may support what many here consider to be improperly restrictive limitations on a right based on your personal experience.

You see, most of us 'old fogeys' grew up in a different era and with a much greater latitude of freedom than most are accustomed to today.  Such is especially true among those who grew up in and/or had access to more rural regions than those who came to maturity in more urbanized settings.  Does that mean we can't adapt?  No.  But, it does mean we're more resistant to being forced to adapt, with an even greater level of resistance to being forced to adapt to oblige someone else's 'feelings.'  Many of us have watched official ranges closed so that those occupying homes more recently built than the range could experience a 'safe space.'  We've watched our rights slowly eaten away to accommodate the thought that it is 'safer' not to have guns around, then watch as violence with other implements, tools, and actual weapons are used to perpetrate the crimes while nothing is left for the victims to use to 'even the playing field' as Samuel Colt alluded to. 

Don't like someone telling you what you experienced?  Then don't presume to dictate how we should feel.  Want a 'safe space?'  Find or build one, but don't invite everyone in as you will assuredly find someone you or others feel 'threaten' it.  Need to practice selective access?  Then remember what happened in The Twilight Zone episode "The Shelter," chaos ensued. 

That's one of the advantages and disadvantages of being an 'old fogey.'  We've experienced Life and have perspective.  Does that mean we have more 'truth' than the younger crowd?  No.  But, it does mean we likely have greater perspective in terms of viewing and adhering to 'truths.'  ​

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I get the need to blow off some steam and temper the frustrations.  I've even engaged in it.  But, let's be careful in terms of how far we take it.  A momentary 'truth' is still a 'truth,' but not necessarily a 'long-lasting' one.  As I've said, if our loyalty and trust in Kestryll is misplaced, we'll know soon enough.  I don't necessarily think 'everyone' from .net who joins the 'other site' is, by default, an 'enemy' or a 'competitor' or a 'traitor.'  I believe that most of them are simply looking for a place they can actively participate, even if it's just to read posts.  I also believe the other site isn't what it's claimed to be and isn't going to become what some want it to be or what many hope it will be.  But, they have every right to try to build it; be it as a 'safe space' or just as a 'place to hang out.'

What it's not going to be is a place about the 2nd Amendment as that is more than just about 'guns.'  It's about 'arms' and, specifically, 'bearable arms.'  It's about the politics which surround it.  Those politics are about personal experiences and the personal experiences are not limited to or dictated by a committee of one. 

The same holds true in terms of what is required to 'fix' the site and how much time it's going to take.  What we each have to determine is how much time each of us is going to allow for until we each determine our time is better spent actively pursuing other alternatives; be it other websites, other activities, et al.  What we're reacting to with the 'other site's' owner is that he's attempting to tell us and/or lead us to a determination which ultimately benefits him.  What we should be focused on is what benefits ourselves and what benefits the community, however we define 'community.' 
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Re: Intermittent availability?? Ok Yesterday.. Not today???
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2024, 11:17:09 AM »
Gone south again today Dec 10. After several days. Wonder what's going on.

504s again